Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion at the opening session of the Knesset in 1949
Bill Downs CBS Jerusalem
November 1955
David Ben-Gurion is scheduled to give a foreign affairs statement before the Knesset on Wednesday. It will serve to intensify the increased discussion about whether the fiery old Zionist warrior should, like Churchill, finally be put to pasture.
Various political leaders who have been discussing the internal political picture following the growth of the right-wing in the last election are now fond of pointing out that perhaps Ben-Gurion faces "honorable retirement," as did Churchill—that Churchill had his Eden and Ben-Gurion has his Sharett.
Like Churchill, Ben-Gurion is certainly the most respected citizen in his nation. But more and more public thrusts are being directed at him, and there is a general feeling that Israel wants to terminate its pioneering phase and solidify its present gains.
Typical was the comment of a CBS News driver when we completed an interview with Ben-Gurion last week. The driver asked, "Was he wearing his shepherd's uniform?" Ben-Gurion had on battledress, which is now being referred to jokingly. Like Churchill's siren suit, the shepherd's uniform seems to be going out of style.
Although the right-wing swing brought a demotion for Sharett back to Foreign Minister, he, like Eden, is considered the almost inevitable successor if there is a change here—particularly after Sharett's propaganda trip in the Big Four foreign ministers conferences in Paris and Geneva which were regarded as a big success, spotlighting Israel's dangerous position and the threat of war following the Egyptian-Communist arms deal.
There have been serious second thoughts here following Ben-Gurion's return to power. Coincident with his designation as the new premier, there was an attack on the Gaza border. Shortly after assuming office, Ben-Gurion told the Knesset he is willing to sit down with Egypt's Nasser and discuss peace or border settlement or any kind of stabilizing arrangement to bring peace to the Middle East. A few hours later, the Israeli army moved in one of the year's biggest actions to remove Egyptian soldiers from Israel soil in the Nitzana area.
Although Ben-Gurion's critics refuse to condemn him or his record or personality, they point out that under the circumstances it would appear difficult for him to ever be able to arrange a sit-down with any Arab leader to discuss settlement of Israeli-Arab troubles.
One non-governmental independent intellectual explained that Ben-Gurion's roots in Poland—he is so intensely interested in establishing, organizing, and securing the new Israeli state that he never really understood or comprehended the subtleties of Arab-Muslim pride, sensitivity, and personality, and thus never worked out a formula to satisfy these "face" requirements in dealing with his neighbors. On the other hand, the same sources pointed out that Sharett was raised among Arabs as a youth, speaks their language, and generally has a greater understanding of their thinking and internal political problems.
Israel's tough retaliatory policy has been successful in maintaining the borders and security of this beachhead nation, although in the process it scared a large part of the world to death earlier this month.
Ben-Gurion's also so-called tough policy stands up as moderate compared with the hotheaded former Irgunists and extreme nationalists in right-wing groupings.
Barring more border crises or fedayeen attacks against civilians, popular temper in this country is right now for peace. The new situation created by Communist arms deliveries to Egypt made plain that Israel must make a long range settlement with her neighbors if possible.
Therein lies renascent talk that Ben-Gurion might be more valuable to Israel as an elder statesmen rather than an active politician. There is no government crisis looming or imminent in Israel, but as demands for settlement grow and as external and internal pressures are exerted on the governments in Cairo and Jerusalem, the situation could change. The only trouble is that no one, including Dulles or Eden, seems anywhere close to the formula for a solution to the problems in the Middle East.
Bill Downs meeting with Gamal Abdel Nasser for an interview in Cairo in 1954
Bill Downs interviewed Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser in late 1954. In a memo to CBS management, Downs gave his impressions of Nasser and Egypt, noting the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, the revolutionary government's economic reforms, and the future of the country. Below the memo is the list of the original questions Downs drafted months earlier for the interview.
December 2, 1954
TO: Sig Mickelson, Ed Murrow, Ed Morgan
FROM: Bill Downs, CBS Rome
This is intended as a rundown of impressions, observations, and news I picked up during my recent twelve days in Egypt. I talked with US Embassy officials, resident newsmen and, of course, had the two and a half hours with Prime Minister Nasser during the lengthy filming of the interview (which I hope someone has seen by this time). I also traveled in the desert some sixty miles north of Cairo on the western edge of the delta to look over their model reclamation project and over to the Suez Canal zone to talk with the British concerning their evacuation.
My impressions are limited to government spokesmen and, of course, I did not get to any members of the Moslem Brotherhood who form the biggest question mark in the new regime. I gather that there is little point in getting the spot interviews with the fellahin, since their ignorance and superstition are now augmented by fear of the police. Anyway, they are still mainly interested only in the next meal, and their policies are based on that one important fact.
My impression of the young men who are now running Egypt is that they are an extremely confident group of army officers dedicated to furthering the country into the twentieth century, but also nervous concerning the Moslem Brotherhood and its threat to them and the future of their national program. They have been shocked at the revelations concerning the Brotherhood plot to seize control of the country. It was extremely well-organized and involved fanatical cadres assembled along military lines assigned to assassinate the Revolutionary Command Council, take over, and bomb and burn government buildings and installations with carefully hidden caches of arms, ammunition, and explosives in every major city of the country.
At least a thousand leaders of this counterrevolution have been incarcerated and will go on trial. The bumf has it that upwards of four thousand conspirators and suspects have been arrested and jailed.
The plot was so well designed that some government officials suspect that professional revolutionaries might have had a hand—the main basis for the claims that the Communists are collaborating with the Brotherhood. Another obstacle in assessing the danger is that no one, not even Nasser, is exactly sure how large the secret organization is, the state of its discipline, the extent of its fanaticism, or the loyalty of its membership to the Moslem cause. It has been stated at various times by various officials that the Brotherhood membership ranges from 100,000 to 250,000 or 400,000.
When I saw him, Nasser appeared to be extremely careless of his personal safety. We met in the offices of the Presidency of the Council of Ministers, a building across the street from the old Parliament in which he does much of his work. The Colonel laughed when he pointed out that Army troops had been placed around the Revolutionary Command Council headquarters around his own billets and the presidential palace.
But someone forgot about the Office of the Council Presidency. It was discovered that, across the street in an apartment building, the Brotherhood had staked out an observation post. They intended to move in and take the entire cabinet including the Prime Minister with some fifty troops dressed in military police uniforms. The plot didn't come off, but they found the uniforms. At the time, only two policemen were at the gate.
Still, the nervousness was evident, particularly when I asked him about rumors that his wife and four children had been threatened. What disturbs all of the Nasser regime is that they keep turning up belts of gelignite designed to be worn around the waist. The idea is that a fanatical member of the group will put on this explosive and at some propitious moment advance smiling to fact the Prime Minister, and then touch off the stuff—blowing the assassin and the assassinated to perdition. There is no way to address such fanaticism, and the leaders of the Brotherhood have money and the mosques behind them.
In a way, Egypt's is the strongest revolution in years. It had all the traditional aspects when Farouk was kicked out. The aristocracy fled, hangers-on were jailed, property was confiscated, and all the rest. Yet throughout it all it has been comparatively free of blood, and one of the features of this regime is the intentness to avoid bloodshed wherever possible. The speculation is that, in the current reason trials, there will be few, if any, death sentences. The handling of the problem of General Naguib is typical of the attitude.
As I wrote to you earlier on the Egyptian situation, General Naguib is a sincere Egyptian patriot, but now he is apparently not willing to go along with even the present mild RCC dictatorship. This was evident when they kicked him upstairs last spring and made him president. However, the General's personal popularity is tremendous—something like MacArthur's—and it was not politically expedient to move against him at that time. The unsuccessful attempt to assassinate Nasser provided the excuse, and apparently the Nasser boys are going to get away with it.
In my interview with Nasser I submitted the questions beforehand. His English is not very good, and they answers were prepared for him. One of my questions read: "Since the recent attempt on your life, the world has been wondering as to the future place of General Naguib in Egypt. Also, what effect does your government's banishment of the Moslem Brotherhood have on your relations with the other Arab countries?"
Nasser struck the first part of the question, but the answer had been supplied by his staff. I used it as coming from a government source, or at least I hope to use it by the time you get this. The unused answer was:
"General Naguib was prepared to listen to false promises made by subversive and extremist elements under the illusion that they would invest him with full power. While we are advancing toward real democracy, Naguib wanted to become an absolute dictator. Unfortunately, he did not realize that they intended to utilize him to serve their end and then get rid of him."
As to the second part of the question, which you may by now have seen, Nasser replied that "the suppression of the Moslem Brethren and the Communists in Egypt will serve the security and stability not only of Egypt, but throughout the world." I suspect the Communist angle was inserted for American consumption. However, it is typical of the conciliatory attitude of this "revolution" that Naguib has now been given the use of two automobiles and a pension which I hear adds up to about eight hundred dollars a month.
The RCC is being attacked on two fronts by its friendly critics. One group says that it should make up its mind to be a revolutionary dictatorship—since it is a dictatorship anyway—and move in on its opposition, attack frontally the superstitions and customs the Moslem religion imposes which impede progress, and take over industries and businesses which refuse to cooperate and get along with the job of modernizing the economy.
The other group, comprised mostly of the wealthy and established families, are shocked by the RCC's treatment of and the charges against General Naguib. They admit that the facts of life about Farouk and Co. and generally applaud the agreement with the British on Suez, but they cannot believe that Naguib was a conspirator in the Moslem Brotherhood plot as charged.
Neither does the RCC, apparently, as per the Prime Minister's reply above. But they felt Naguib had to be removed from their government so they could operate freely. They are conscious of the fact that Naguib is still alive and a symbol of the opposition, but they choose to do nothing about it—yet.
The "revolution" can yet become bloody. But the present policy it to avoid bloodshed and attempt to build up confidence in the regime to promote foreign investment, increase tourism, and most of all un-scare domestic capital to risk new industry and business in the country. This, I believe, is the key to the present policy. If it doesn't work, or if the Brethren make an all-out attempt to take over the country, then watch out.
What you have then is a group of young military men all under forty who are determined to make something of their country, but are on the surface a little embarrassed about how to do it. Many have been educated in British schools and have inherited something of the British attitude of "not being beastly." Nasser continually speaks of the time which will come when "we can have real democracy in Egypt." One gets the impression that he is embarrassed by his dictatorial powers and wants to get rid of them.
To this end, the RCC is about to set up an Advisory Council which will act as a kind of parliament advising the government. They hope to draw in the best brains in the country from all phases of national life. The problem is to make the country secure so that anyone accepting such a position will not automatically become an assassin's' target.
However, the revolution is there even though the RCC is treading carefully and slowly. The speak with pride of "getting rid of the British," and one of their big agricultural projects that I visited, the "Liberation district" some sixty miles north of Cairo, reflects what has become a rote kind of dislike for the British. The new villages in this reclamation are being named after heroes who died in the running fight with the English troops preceding the Suez agreement.
Bill Downs (right) preparing to interview Nasser in 1954
There is also a national pride arising. On any project underway where it applies the officials take care to point out that "this is an entirely Egyptian effort." Nasser talked in terms of "the uneven distribution of wealth that prevailed before the revolution" and said the revolution "is responsible for overturning a system which made for the wide differentiation between classes and the feudal system of trade industry and agriculture in which a privileged few enrich themselves at the expense of those who have only their own labor to sell."
The RCC claims that land reform—the law which specifies that no person can own more than two hundred acres—has been eminently successful. The monarchist estates seized and cut up amount to a small portion of the country, but officials claim that the psychological effect on the population has been tremendous. For the first time in centuries, if ever, someone has concerned himself with the plight of the fellah. He has worked under slave conditions for hundreds of years with no hope of improvement for himself and his family. The mere fact of making it possible for such a man to own land is a tremendously important political factor in the new Egypt. I gathered that this revolution will be extended to industry where eventually there might be such things as labor unions, child labor laws, and industrially sponsored social benefit schemes. At present, such things are unheard of an hardly contemplatable in that primitive society.
The RCC's big project right now is harnessing the Nile, incidentally something comparable to the building of the pyramids. The aim is to not only make more acreage tillable—and they can increase there agriculture about 1/5th by 1.5 million acres—but the idea also is to industrialists.
Toward this end the RCC is electrifying the Aswan Dam, which will be accomplished in 1959 and produce something like 345,000 kilowatt hours. But the big project now awaiting an international study and some financing from the World Bank and other sources is the "High Dam" cutting across a narrow pass some four miles south of Aswan and which will be four times the size of our Hoover Dam, producing the largest artificial lake in the world. This project, if it comes off, might be said to be the true revolution in Egypt.
The High Dam is now being studied by international experts, and the Cairo government is applying to the World Bank for financing as well as seeking loans elsewhere. It will be an electrification project as well as one controlling the annual floods of the Nile. Economic planning experts have already laid out the places for future industry to build its iron and steel plants, nitrate, and fertilizer industries and others. The High Dam will produce ten billion kilowatt hours per year, enough to supply these industries and also to give power to Cairo.
Behind all of this is a sincere desire to raise the standard of living for the fellahin, and one way to do this is to industrialize and get the people out of the villages and plots and into factories. With this in view, the Revolutionary planners are attempting to lure foreign firms to establish spare-parts and machine tool industries there. There are also plans for rubber, sugar beet, Jute, and paper industries. A survey is underway to study the existing Egyptian industry with a view towards expansion and allying into the national economy as a whole.
Exactly what socioeconomic pattern the new Egypt will take is not yet clear. There has been no seizure of business or industry, but Egyptian risk capital is still mightily scared and is in hiding. It may be that the government itself will have to institute the new industries unless foreign companies come in. I think the RCC would prefer capitalists to do the job, but if they do not, then the government will probably move in.
The RCC is particularly proud of its record of social betterment. A slum-clearing program is underway in major cities. In the past two and a half years the government has built some 230 schools as opposed to only seven built by the former regime in the same period immediately preceding. Over two hundred million dollars has been earmarked for such projects since the RCC came to power.
In the land distribution and land reclamation programs the system being set up is quasi-socialistic. People given land are usually organized into settlements similar to the Israeli system. Each new farmer has the right to buy and own a few acres of land of his own as well as his house, but he must raise the crops assigned to him and work on the larger acreage owned by the settlement. His children will attend the village nursery and school. His marketing will be done for him on a cooperative basis. He must buy his bread from the village bakery. He must not be allowed to keep his animals in the house, as is the tradition. He must learn and observe the rudimentary rules of hygiene. And in some cases he will wear the distinctive uniform of his village, perhaps dark trousers with blue shirts. These projects are intended to build up a generation of modern Egyptians and to get away from the traditional nightgown on the street.
In the field of foreign policy, there seems to be an almost deliberate attempt to ignore Israel. One gets the idea that the Egyptians wish somehow the whole mess would go away. Nasser's reply to questions about the "little war" to the north is automatic. He says Israel must first abide by the 1947-48 decisions of the United Nations. Any recognition of the Israeli state would be a fait accompli and thus impair the effectiveness of the UN and establish a precedent wherein conquest by arms is to be recognized. However, one gets the impression that the RCC would like a face-saving solution. One feeler put out concerns giving assurance of communication between Egypt and the other Arab states now cut in two by the Jewish occupation of the Negev.
But the most fascinating phase of Egyptian foreign policy now underway concerns the Moslem Brotherhood vis-à-vis the other Arab states to the north. The Brotherhood is strong in each of the governments of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, and Egypt's banishment of the Brotherhood is bound to be considered an affront. How deeply this will affect the relations between the countries remain to be seen, but it's significant that many Egyptians with Brotherhood connections have received asylum in these countries.
This is about all of it. I apologize for the length—but you can always read this stuff in the can.
Regards,
Bill
SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR CBS TELEVISION - RADIO INTERIEW WITH LT. COL. GAMAL ABDEL NASSER
The purpose of this interview is not to create controversy but rather to project the views and personality of Lt. Col. Nasser. In other words we hope to educate and produce understanding. Because of the problems of lightings and in order to produce an atmosphere of informality, we would appreciate it if our camera could set up in a garden or some place outside where Lt. Col. Nasser and Bill Downs could talk, Downs asking the questions and receiving the Colonel's replies. Informatively, the question and answer technique is preferred since the soundtrack of the film also is utilized on the coast-to-coast facilities of the CBS Radio Network. It is understood that Lt. Col. Nasser can rephrase, eliminate, or add to the following list of questions, all of which are mere suggestions as to the course of the interview.
1. Colonel Nasser, the Egyptian Revolution will soon be two years old. How do you visualize the future development of the revolution? What phases does the Revolutionary Council see before it? In other words, what has yet to happen before you can turn over the revolution intact to the people? Where does General Naguib fit into this picture?
2. What are the outstanding domestic problems now facing your government? Economic, political, educational, or what?
3. The world has been watching with intense interest the Anglo-Egyptian struggle over Suez. Have there been any recent positive developments? What is your next step if a satisfactory solution is not found?
4. Another major foreign policy problem facing your government is the question of Israel. If I remember correctly, you listed your revolutionary goals "the restoration of the honor of Egyptian arms." Can this be done without reengagement with the Zionist army? What do you regard as the minimum terms for the settlement of the Israeli-Arab dispute? Do you regard the US Middle Eastern policy as recently set down by Undersecretary of State [sic] Byroade as furthering peace in this dispute?
5. What do you see as Egypt's role in the Moslem world? In the Arab world?
6. In the current worldwide East-West Cold War, do you believe that Egypt can remain neutral? Do you regard Soviet Russia as a potential ally or a potential threat to the Middle East?
7. There are persistent reports of increased Communist activity in the Middle East, particularly among the poor and working classes. Do you regard this as a threat to the Egyptian Revolution or to the stability of the Middle East? What is your domestic policy toward Communism?
8. There is admitted suspicion of United States policy and motives in this part of the world. Why is this, and what can be done about it?
"U.S. Marines advance past an M48 Patton tank during the battle for Huế," February 2, 1968 (source)
Bill Downs
ABC Washington
February 11, 1968
No war in modern history has had so many armchair generals, cocktail party strategists, and amateur field marshals who second-guess everything than does the conflict in Southeast Asia.
Politicians, whose military experience was probably limited to World War II gasoline rationing, suddenly became experts on jungle tactics and psychological warfare. Editorial writers, some of whom have boarded nothing larger than a swan boat, turn up as critics of Navy intelligence procedures which led to the capture of the USS Pueblo.
Perhaps this is as it should be. Since the first Colonial farmers shouldered flintlocks to take on the British Redcoats, Americans have fought their wars as much with their mouths as with their muskets. As General Omar Bradley once pointed out, "If the troops aren't griping about something, then there's something wrong with morale."
By this standard, morale here in Washington and across the country was exceptionally high this past week as people followed with dismay the second week of the hydra-headed Viet Cong offensive against the cities and key towns of South Vietnam. It was an offensive that burst on the world the week before, and it had been described by US military men in Saigon as a "last gasp" desperation attack, a "diversionary move" which failed in its design to force the American command to weaken its defense of the northern province, and finally, as told by General William Westmoreland: in repulsing the guerrilla uprising, the Allied forces in South Vietnam had won a significant victory. At the same time, Westmoreland alerted his troops to the possibility that the Viet Cong and their North Vietnamese allies could reorganize themselves and launch a similar new offensive at any time—an admission that the General's so-called "victory" was not quite as complete or decisive as his words implied.
It was less than two months ago that General Westmoreland and the US Ambassador to Saigon, Ellsworth Bunker, were in Washington and broadcasting to the world such statements as: "The Viet Cong has suffered such losses in the South that the guerrilla army now is incapable of mounting a major attack." Ambassador Bunker stressed that last year's elections and the adoption of a democratic constitution by the new South Vietnamese legislature meant that the people of the South at long last were showing their showing their confidence and gratitude for the military shield the United States was providing them. Thus the US was not only winning the military struggle for the country, but also that important "other war" as well. The "other war," of course, is also called "pacification of the countryside," or sometimes "revolutionary development." And more and more rarely it's also called "the battle for men's minds."
Viewed in the retrospect of only six weeks, it would appear that the highly optimistic year-end assessments by Westmoreland and Bunker were not only wrong, but also that these two top US officials in Saigon perhaps made a dreadful mistake and somehow became victims of their own wishful thinking and, even worse, became victims of their own propaganda.
It is now obvious that Westmoreland badly underestimated the guerrilla capabilities of the Viet Cong. In fact, professional military men at the Pentagon privately give grudging admiration to the to the Communist guerrilla command for its skill in organizing simultaneous attacks by an estimated force of some sixty thousand irregulars on more than thirty-five population and military centers the length and breadth of South Vietnam.
The attacks ranged in size from small commando squads of fifteen to twenty men—as was the group which blasted its way into the US Embassy grounds in Saigon—to combat teams of two hundred or so men such as those that moved in on the ancient capital of Huế in the north.
Whether or not the Viet Cong attained all of their objectives, the fact remains that the guerrilla offensive paralyzed the country, embarrassed the US and its allies in Vietnam, demonstrated the laxity of the Saigon government leadership and, most of all, exposed the weakness of Allied intelligence about the enemy in Vietnam.
It is true that Westmoreland's headquarters had issued warnings at least two weeks prior that there might be a Viet Cong attack during the Tet New Year's celebrations. In fact, partly because of this advance knowledge, the US refused to observe the Tet truce in the northern part of the country where the North Vietnamese army had massed four and possibly five divisions for an attack across the Demilitarized Zone.
But neither the US Military Assistance Command nor the South Vietnamese counterintelligence net had information that the guerrilla offensive would be so widespread or ambitious, or as deadly. Apparently the end is not yet in sight.
The most melancholy and discouraging aspect of the whole dreary business is the knowledge that the Viet Cong could not have mounted its countryside uprising without either the cooperation or at least the acquiescence of great numbers of the Vietnamese people who live and still seek refuge in every major town and city in South Vietnam.
The explanations that are still coming in say that this demonstrates the basic ignorance and neutrality of the mass of the peasantry, now weary of more than twenty years of war. Others say that it demonstrates the ruthlessness of the Viet Cong terrorists and their hold over the people.
But the past two weeks have proved that all of the bright predictions about "political neutrality" and progress in winning the "other war," as well as the increasing signs of confidence in the new Saigon regime—that all of this optimism was badly out of joint with the facts. In fact, some of the pessimists reporting from Saigon say that the guerrilla offensive—with all the civilian bloodshed and unprecedented devastation in cities and towns which up to now had escaped the ravages of battle—that this injury to the civilian population in South Vietnam means that the United States and its allies have left the "other war." They say that the real meaning of the past two weeks of fighting is that the Communist commandos have inflicted a most tragic and irretrievable defeat on the United States. Maybe so. We must wait and see.
Meanwhile there is much soul-searching going on here in Washington as well as in Saigon, and of course there will be the demand for investigations. For in the aftermath of the Viet Cong offensive, the American people are grousing, and their grumbling is being heard on the national sounding-board which is the Congress. The Hawks and the Doves will be at it again, hot and heavy.
It is to the credit of the political leaders here in Washington that there has been no crisis in confidence in the US military leadership in Vietnam. As of now there has been no hue and cry for a scapegoat, although at least one Washington columnist, Marquis Childs, speculated the other day that President Johnson may want to re-juggle his generals before long and get a fresh approach to the Southeast Asian conflict.
There has also been speculation that the Vietnam crisis may require another 200-250 thousand American GIs to bring the situation under control. It's a suggestion which gets short shrift at the White House with the presidential campaigns now only months away.
Standing in the wings and waiting to be heard is another group of critics who say that the US military command has never understood the basic nature of the entire Vietnam struggle, and who maintain that American actions and strategy are in fact pushing the country into the Communist orbit rather than the other way around. These critics maintain that the Southeast Asian struggle is basically political rather than military. They contend that General Westmoreland's "forward strategy" pits American power against the Communist main-force units and ignores the basic elements wherein US influence should be most effective: against the guerrillas and the Communist regional forces.
This "forward strategy" left it to the South Vietnamese army to secure the rear areas, and this has been a failure. Instead of securing these population centers, the Saigon troops have succeeded mostly in antagonizing the people while the South Vietnamese officers impose bribery, embezzlement, and shakedowns on the urban centers.
The reassessment of US tactics and strategy—which eventually will come—must also consider the one political and military fact to emerge paramount from the Viet Cong guerrilla offensive. That is, the guerrillas were ready to fight and die for their own cause.
There was no such motivation among the great bulk of the Vietnamese people who became victims of that attack, nor apparently from a large section of the South Vietnamese army. In any case, the Southern army wasn't in great evidence, because the Saigon generals and their military colleagues in the field had given many of their men official leave in order to celebrate the Buddhist New Year.
A Report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy – March 9, 1954
EDWARD R. MURROW: Because a report on Senator
McCarthy is by definition controversial, we want to say exactly what we mean to
say, and I request your permission to read from script whatever remarks Murrow
and Friendly may make.
If
the senator feels that we have done violence to his
words or pictures and desires so to speak to answer himself, an
opportunity
will be afforded him on this program. Our working thesis tonight is this
quotation: "If this fight against communism is made a fight between
America's two great
political parties, the American people know that one of these parties
will be
destroyed, and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party
system."
We applaud that statement, and we think Senator McCarthy
ought to. He said it seventeen months ago in Milwaukee.
SENATOR JOSEPH MCCARTHY: The American people realize
that this cannot be made a fight between America's two great political parties.
If this fight against communism is made a fight between America's two great
political parties, the American people know that one of those parties will be
destroyed, and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system.
MURROW: But on February 4, 1954, Senator McCarthy spoke
of one party's treason. This was Charleston, West Virginia, where there were no
cameras running. It was recorded on tape.
MCCARTHY: The issue between Republicans and Democrats
is clearly drawn. It has been deliberately drawn by those who have been in
charge of twenty years of treason. Now the hard fact is—the hard fact is that
those who wear the label—those who wear the label "Democrat" wear it
with the stain of a historic betrayal.
MURROW: Seventeen months ago, candidate Eisenhower met
Senator McCarthy in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and he laid down some ground rules on
how he would fight communism if elected.
DWIGHT EISENHOWER: Now, this is the pledge that I make. If I
am charged by you people to be the responsible head of the executive department,
it will be my initial responsibility to see that subversion, disloyalty, is
kept out of the executive department.
We will always appreciate and welcome congressional
investigation, but the responsibility will rest squarely on the shoulders of
the executive, and I hold that there are already ample powers in the government
to get rid of these people if the executive department is really concerned in
doing it. We can do it with absolute assurance that American principles—of a
trial by jury, of the innocent until proved guilty—are all observed, and I
expect to do it.
MURROW: That same night in Milwaukee, Senator
McCarthy stated what he would do if the General was elected.
MCCARTHY: I spent about half an hour with the General
last night. While I can't report that we agreed entirely on everything—I can
report that, when I left that meeting with the General, I had the same feeling
as when I went in. And that is that he is a great American, will make a great
president; an outstanding president. But I want to tell you tonight, tell the
American people: as long as I represent you and the rest of the American people
in the Senate, I shall continue to call them as I see them, regardless of who
happens to be president.
MURROW: November 24, 1953.
MCCARTHY: A few days ago, I read that President
Eisenhower expressed the hope that, by election time in 1954, the subject of communism
would be a dead and forgotten issue. The raw, harsh, unpleasant fact is that communism
is an issue and will be an issue in 1954.
MURROW: On one thing the senator has been consistent.
Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far; interviewed many;
terrorized some; accused civilian and military leaders of the past
administration of a great conspiracy to turn over the country to communism;
investigated and substantially demoralized the present State Department; made
varying charges of espionage at Fort Monmouth. The Army says it has been unable
to find anything relating to espionage there. He has interrogated a varied
assortment of what he calls "Fifth Amendment Communists."
Republican Senator Flanders of Vermont said of McCarthy
today, "He dons his war paint. He goes into his war dance. He emits his war
whoops; he goes forth to battle and proudly returns with the scalp of a pink Army
dentist."
Other critics have accused the senator of using the bullwhip
and the smear. There was a time two years ago when the senator and his friends
said he had been smeared and bullwhipped.
FRANK KEEFE: Well, you'd sometimes think to hear the
quartet that call themselves "Operation Truth" damning Joe McCarthy
and resorting to the vilest smears I have ever heard. Well, this is the answer.
If I could express it in what's in my heart right now, I'd do it in terms of
the poet who once said:
Ah 'tis but a dainty flower I bring you,
Yes, 'tis but a violet, glistening with dew,
But still in its heart there lies beauties concealed
So in our heart our love for you lies unrevealed.
MCCARTHY: You know, I used to pride myself on the
idea that I was a bit tough, especially over the past eighteen or nineteen
months when we've been kicked around and bullwhipped and damned. I didn't
think that I could be touched very deeply. But tonight, frankly, my cup and my
heart is so full I can't talk to you.
MURROW: But in Philadelphia on Washington's Birthday,
1954, his heart was so full he could talk. He reviewed some of the General
Zwicker testimony and proved he hadn't abused him.
MCCARTHY: Nothing is more serious than being a traitor
to the country as part of the communist conspiracy. Are you enjoying this abuse
of the General?
A question: "Do you think stealing fifty dollars is more
serious than being a traitor to the country and part of the communist
conspiracy?"
Answer: "That, sir, was not my decision."
Shall we go on to that for a while? I hate to impose on your
time, but I've just got two pages. This is the abuse which is the real meat of
abuse. This is the official reporter's record of the hearing. After he said he
wouldn't remove that General from the Army who cleared a communist major I
said to him, "Then, General, you should be removed from any command. Any man who
has been given the honor of being promoted to general and who says, 'I will
protect another general who protects communists,' is not fit to wear that
uniform, General."
I think it is a tremendous disgrace to the Army to have to
bring these facts before the public, but I intend to give it to the public,
General. I have a duty to do that. I intend to repeat to the press exactly what
you said, so that you can know that and be back here to hear it, General.
And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts scream and cry
about our methods of trying to drag the truth from those who know, or should
know, who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist major. But they say, "Oh, it's
all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy."
MURROW: But two days later Secretary Stevens and the senator had lunch, agreed on a memorandum of understanding—disagreed on what
the small type said.
ROBERT T. STEVENS: I shall never accede to the abuse
of Army personnel under any circumstance, including committee hearings. I shall
not accede to them being brow-beaten or humiliated. In the light of those
assurances, although I did not propose the cancellation of the hearing, I
acceded to it. If it had not been for these assurances, I would never have
entered into any agreement whatsoever.
MURROW: Then President Eisenhower issued a statement
that his advisers thought censured the senator. But the senator saw it as
another victory—called the entire Zwicker case "a tempest in a
teapot."
MCCARTHY: If a stupid, arrogant, or witless man in a
position of power appears before our committee and is found aiding the
Communist Party, he will be exposed. The fact that he might be a general places
him in no special class as far as I am concerned. Apparently the president and
I now agree on the necessity of getting rid of communists. We apparently
disagree only on how we should handle those who protect communists.
When the shouting and the tumult dies, the American people
and the president will realize that this unprecedented mudslinging against the committee
by the extreme left wing elements of press and radio was caused solely because
another Fifth Amendment Communist was finally dug out of the dark recesses and
exposed to public view.
MURROW: Senator McCarthy claims that only the left
wing press criticized him on the Zwicker case. Of the fifty large circulating
newspapers in the country, these are the left wing papers that criticized him.
These are the ones that supported him. The ratio is about three-to-one. Now let
us look at some of these left wing papers that criticized the senator.
The Chicago Tribune: "McCarthy will better serve his
cause if he learns to distinguish the role of investigator from the role of
avenging angel."
The New York Times: "The unwarranted interference of
a demagogue…a domestic Munich."
The Times Herald of Washington: "Senator McCarthy's
behavior towards Zwicker not justified."
The Herald Tribune of New York: "McCarthyism involves
assaults on basic Republican concepts."
The Milwaukee Journal: "The line must be drawn and
defended or McCarthy will become the government."
The Evening Star of Washington: "It was a bad day for everyone who resents and detests the
bullyboy tactics which Senator McCarthy so often employees."
The New York World Telegram: "Bamboozling,
bludgeoning, distorting way."
The St. Louis Post Dispatch: "Unscrupulous McCarthy
bullying. What a tragic irony it is that the president's political advisers
keep him from doing what every decent instinct must be commanding him to do."
Well, that's the ratio—about three-to-one—so-called "left-wing"
press.
Another interesting thing was said about the Zwicker case,
and it was said by Senator McCarthy.
MCCARTHY: Well, may I say that I was extremely
shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens told two Army officers that they
had to take part in the cover-up of those who promoted and coddled communists.
As I read his statement, I thought of that quotation, "On what meat doth
this, our Caesar, feed?"
MURROW: And upon what meat does Senator McCarthy
feed? Two of the staples of his diet are the investigations, protected by
immunity, and the half-truth. We herewith submit samples of both.
First, the half-truth. This was an attack on Adlai Stevenson
at the end of the '52 campaign. President Eisenhower, it must be said, had no
prior knowledge of it.
MCCARTHY: I perform this unpleasant task because the
American people are entitled to have the coldly documented history of this man
who says, "I want to be your President."
Strangely, Alger—I mean, Adlai...but let's move on to another
part of the jigsaw puzzle. Now, while you would think—while you may think there
could be no connection between the debonair Democrat candidate and a dilapidated
Massachusetts barn, I want to show you a picture of this barn and explain the
connection.
Here is the outside of the barn. Give me the pictures showing
the inside, if you will. Here is the outside of a barn up at Lee,
Massachusetts. It looks it couldn't house a farmer's cow or goat.
Here's the inside: a beautifully paneled conference room with maps of the
Soviet Union. Well, in what way does Stevenson tie up with this?
My investigators went up and took pictures of this barn
after we had been tipped off of what was in it, tipped off that there was in
this barn all the missing documents from the communist front, IPR. The IPR
which has been named by the McCarran Committee. Named before the McCarran
Committee as a cover shop for communist espionage.
Now, let's take a look at a photostat of a document taken
from that Massachusetts barn. One of those documents was never supposed to have
seen the light of day—rather interesting it is. This is a document that shows
that Alger Hiss and Frank Coe recommended Adlai Stevenson to the Mont Tremblant
Conference, which was called for the purpose of establishing foreign policy—postwar
foreign policy—in Asia. Now, as you know, Alger Hiss is a convicted traitor.
Frank Coe has been named under oath before congressional committees seven times
as a member of the Communist Party. Why? Why do Hiss and Coe find that Adlai
Stevenson is the man they want representing them at this conference? I don't
know. Perhaps Adlai knows.
MURROW: But Senator McCarthy didn't permit his
audience to hear the entire paragraph. This is the official record of the
McCarran hearings. Anyone can buy it for two dollars. Here's a quote: "Another
possibility for the Mont Tremblant conferences on Asia is someone from Knox's
office or Stimson's office. Frank Knox was our wartime Secretary of the
Navy; Henry Stimson our Secretary of the Army. Both distinguished Republicans."
And it goes on: "Coe and Hiss mentioned Adlai Stevenson, one of Knox's
special assistants, and Harvey Bundy, former Assistant Secretary of State under
Hoover and now assistant to Stimson, because of their jobs."
We read from this documented record not in defense of Mr.
Stevenson, but in defense of truth. Specifically, Mr. Stevenson's
identification with that red barn was no more, no less than that of Knox,
Stimson, or Bundy. It should be stated that Mr. Stevenson was once a member of
the Institute of Pacific Relations. But so were such other loyal Americans as
Senator Ferguson, John Foster Dulles, Paul Hoffman, Harry Luce, and Herbert
Hoover. Their association carries with it no guilt, and that barn has nothing
to do with any of them.
Now, a sample of an investigation. The witness was Reed
Harris, for many years a civil servant in the State Department directing the
Information Service. Harris was accused of helping the communistic cause by
curtailing some broadcasts to Israel. Senator McCarthy summoned him and
questioned him about a book he had written in 1932.
MCCARTHY: May we come to order. Mr. Reed Harris? Your
name is Reed Harris?
REED HARRIS: That's correct.
MCCARTHY: You wrote a book in '32, is that correct?
HARRIS: Yes, I wrote a book. And as I testified in
executive session—
MCCARTHY: At the time you wrote the book—pardon me, go
ahead. I'm sorry.
HARRIS: At the time I wrote the book, the atmosphere
in the universities of the United States was greatly affected by the Great
Depression then in existence. The attitudes of students, the attitudes of the
general public, were considerably different than they are at this moment, and
for one thing there certainly was no awareness to the degree that
there is today of the way the Communist Party works.
MCCARTHY: You attended Columbia University in the
early thirties. Is that right?
HARRIS: I did, Mr. Chairman.
MCCARTHY: Will you speak a little louder, sir?
HARRIS: I did, Mr. Chairman.
MCCARTHY: And were you expelled from Columbia?
HARRIS: I was suspended from classes on April 1,
1932. I was later reinstated, and I resigned from the university.
MCCARTHY: And you resigned from the university. Did
the Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time?
HARRIS: I had many offers of attorneys, and one of
those was from the American Civil Liberties Union, yes.
MCCARTHY: The question is did the Civil Liberties
Union supply you with an attorney?
HARRIS: They did supply an attorney.
MCCARTHY: The answer is yes?
HARRIS: The answer is yes.
MCCARTHY: You know the Civil Liberties Union has been
listed as "a front for, and doing the work of," the Communist Party?
HARRIS: Mr. Chairman, this was 1932.
MCCARTHY: Yeah, I know this was 1932. Do you know
that they since have been listed as a front for, and doing the work of, the
Communist Party?
HARRIS: I do not know that they have been listed so,
sir.
MCCARTHY: You don't know they have been listed?
HARRIS: I have heard that mentioned, or read that
mentioned.
MCCARTHY: Now, you wrote a book in 1932. I'm going to
ask you again. At the time you wrote this book, did you feel that professors
should be given the right to teach sophomores that marriage, let me quote,
"should be cast out of our civilization as antiquated and stupid religious
phenomena?" Was that your feeling at that time?
HARRIS: My feeling was that professors should have
the right to express their considered opinions on any subject, whatever they
were, sir.
MCCARTHY: All right, I'm going to ask you this
question again.
HARRIS: That includes that quotation. They should
have the right to teach anything that came to their minds as being a proper
thing to teach.
MCCARTHY: I'm going to make you answer this.
HARRIS: All right, I'll answer yes, but you put an
implication on it, and you feature this particular point out of the book which of
course is quite out of context; does not give a proper impression of the book
as a whole. The American public doesn't get an honest impression of even that
book, bad as it is, from what you're quoting from it.
MCCARTHY: Well, then, let's continue to read your own
writing, and—
HARRIS: Twenty-one years ago, again.
MCCARTHY: Yes, but we'll try and bring you down to
date, if we can.
HARRIS: Mr. Chairman, two weeks ago, Senator Taft
took the position that I took twenty-one years ago, that communists and socialists
should be allowed to teach in the schools. It so happens that nowadays I don't
agree with Senator Taft as far as communist teaching in the schools is
concerned, because I think communists are in effect a plainclothes auxiliary of
the Red Army—the Soviet Red Army—and I don't want to see them in any of our
schools teaching.
MCCARTHY: I don't recall Senator Taft ever having any
of the background that you've got, sir.
MCCARTHY: I resent the tone of this inquiry very
much, Mr. Chairman. I resent it, not only because it is my neck, my public
neck, that you are, I think, very skillfully trying to wring, but I say it
because there are thousands of able and loyal employees in the federal
government of the United States who have been properly cleared according to the
laws and the security practices of their agencies, as I was—unless the new
regime says no—I was before.
SENATOR JOHN MCLELLAN: Do you think this book that
you wrote then did considerable harm—its publication might have had adverse
influence on the public by an expression of views contained in it?
HARRIS: The sale of that book was so abysmally small,
it was so unsuccessful that a question of its influence—really, you can go back
to the publisher. You'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever
put out. He's still sorry about it, just as I am.
MCLELLAN: Well, I think that's a compliment to
American intelligence. I will say that to him.
MURROW: Senator McCarthy succeeded in proving that
Reed Harris had once written a bad book, which the American people had proved
twenty-two years ago by not buying it. Which is what they eventually do will
all bad ideas. As for Reed Harris, his resignation was accepted a month later
with a letter of commendation. McCarthy claimed it as a victory.
The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the senator's
techniques. Twice he said the American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a
subversive front. The Attorney General's list does not and has never listed the
ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI or any other federal government agency.
And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files letters of
commendation from President Truman, President Eisenhower, and General
MacArthur.
Now let us try to bring the McCarthy story a little more up
to date. Two years ago Senator Benton of Connecticut accused McCarthy of
apparent perjury, unethical practice, and perpetrating a hoax on the Senate.
McCarthy sued for two million dollars. Last week he dropped the case, saying no
one could be found who believed Benton's story. Several volunteers have come
forward saying they believe it in its entirety.
Today, Senator McCarthy says he's going to get a lawyer and
force the networks to give him time to reply to Adlai Stevenson's speech.
Earlier the senator asked, "Upon what meat does this,
our Caesar, feed?" Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's Caesar,
he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate: "The
fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."
No one familiar with the history of this country can deny
that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before
legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine
one, and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His
primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind as between the internal
and the external threats of communism.
We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must
remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon
evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We
will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we dig deep in our
history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful
men. Not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend
causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.
This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's
methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and
our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no
way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities.
As a nation
we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves,
as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in
the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
The actions of the junior senator from Wisconsin have caused
alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to
our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this
situation of fear. He merely exploited it, and rather successfully. Cassius was
right. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in
ourselves."
Good night, and good luck.
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Senator McCarthy Responds on See It Now – April 6, 1954
EDWARD R. MURROW: One month ago tonight we presented a
report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. We labeled it as controversial. Most
of that report consisted of words and pictures of the senator. At that
time we said, "If the senator believes we have done violence to his words
or pictures, if he desires to speak to answer himself, an opportunity will be
afforded him on this program."
The senator sought the opportunity; asked
for a delay of three weeks because he said he was very busy and he wished
adequate time to prepare his reply. We agreed. We supplied the senator
with a kinescope
of that program of March 9, and with such scripts and recordings as he
requested. We placed no restrictions upon the manner or method of the presentation
of his reply, and we suggested that we would not take time to comment on this
particular program. The senator chose to make his reply on film. Here
now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior senator from Wisconsin.
SENATOR JOSEPH MCCARTHY: Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,
Educational Director of the Columbia Broadcasting System, devoted his program
to an attack on the work of the United States Senate Investigating Committee,
and on me personally as its chairman. Now over the past four years he has made
repeated attacks upon me and those fighting communists.
Now, of course, neither Joe
McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow is of any great importance as individuals. We are
only important in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American
liberties. The Senate Investigating Committee has forced out of government, and
out of important defense plants, communists engaged in the Soviet conspiracy.
And you know, it's interesting to note that the viciousness of Murrow's attacks
is in direct ratio to our success in digging out communists.
Now, ordinarily I would not take time out from the important work at hand to answer
Murrow. However, in this case I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is a
symbol, the leader, and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at
the throat of anyone who dares to expose individual communists and traitors.
I
am compelled by the facts to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow, as
far back
as twenty years ago, was engaged in propaganda for communist causes. For
example, the Institute of International Education, of which he was the
acting director, was chosen to act as a representative by a Soviet
agency to do
a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. Mr.
Murrow
sponsored a communist school in Moscow. In the selection of American
students
and teachers who were to attend, Mr. Murrow's organization acted for the
Russian espionage and propaganda organization known as VOKS (V-O-K-S).
And many of those selected were later exposed as communists. Murrow's
organization selected such notorious communists as Isadore Begun, David
Zablodowsky—incidentally, Zablodowsky was forced out of the United
Nations, when my chief counsel presented his case to the grand jury and gave a
picture of his communist activities.
Now, Mr. Murrow, by his own
admission, was a member of the IWW—that's the Industrial Workers of the World—a terrorist organization
cited as subversive by an attorney general of the United States, who stated
that it was an organization which seeks, and I quote: "to alter the
government of the United States by unconstitutional means." Now, other
government committees have had before them actors, screenwriters, motion
picture producers, and others, who admitted communist affiliations but pleaded
youth or ignorance. Now, Mr. Murrow can hardly make the same plea.
On
March 9
of this year, Mr. Murrow, a trained reporter who had traveled all over
the
world, who is the Educational Director of CBS, followed implicitly the
communist line, as laid down in the last six months; laid down not only
by the communist Daily Worker, but by the communist magazine Political Affairs and by the National Conference of the Communist Party of the United States of America.
Now the question: why is it
important to you, the people of America, to know why the Educational Director
and the Vice President of CBS so closely follow the Communist Party line? To
answer that question we must turn back the pages of history.
A little over a hundred years
ago, a little group of men in Europe conspired to deliver the world to a new
system, to communism. Under their system, the individual was nothing, the
family was nothing; God did not even exist. Their theory was that an
all-powerful State should have the power of life or death over its citizens
without even a trial; that everything and everybody belonged to the rulers of
the states. They openly wrote—nothing's secret about it—that, in their
efforts to gain power, they would be justified in doing anything. They would be
justified in following the trail of deceit, lies, terror, murder, treason,
blackmail. All these things were elevated to virtues in the communist rule
book. If a convert to communism could be persuaded that he was a citizen of the
world, it of course would be much easier to make him a traitor to his own
country.
Now, for seventy years the communists made little progress. Let me show you a map of the world as it stood
in the middle of the First World War in 1917, before the Russian Revolution.
You will see there is not a single foot of ground on the face of the globe
under the domination or control of the communists, and bear in mind that this
was only thirty-six years ago.
In 1917 we were engaged in a great world war in defense
of our way of life and in defense of American liberty. The Kaiser was obliged
to divide his armies and fight in both the Eastern and the Western fronts. In the
midst of the war, the Russian people overthrew their Czarist master and they
set up a democratic form of government under the leadership of Alexander Kerensky. Now, Kerensky's government instantly pledged all-out
support to the Allies. At this instant the Imperial German government secretly
financed the return to Russia of seven communist exiles led by Nikolai Lenin, exiles who had been forced to flee the country. A rather important event in the history of the world.
Now once in Russia, by the
same methods which the communists are employing in the United States today,
they undermined the Army; they undermined the Navy; the civilian heads of the
government. And in one hundred days those seven communists were literally the
masters of Russia. Now, with all of the wealth of the nation at their
command, they proceeded to finance communist parties in every country in the
world. They sent to those countries trained propagandists and spies. In every
country they of course had to find glib, clever men like Edward R. Murrow who
would sponsor invitations to students and teachers to attend indoctrinational
schools in Moscow, exactly as Murrow has done. They trained communists in every
country in the world. Their sole purpose was to infiltrate the government,
and once communists were in government they in turn brought others in.
Now let us look at the map of
the world as it was twenty years ago. At that time there was one country with
180,000,000 people in communist chains.
Now let us look at a map of
the world as of tonight, this sixth day of April, nineteen hundred and
fifty-four. Over
one-third of the earth's area under communist control and
800,000,000 people in communist chains, in addition to the 800,000,000
in communist chains in Europe and Asia. Finally, the communists have
gained a
foothold and a potential military base here in our half of the world, in
Guatemala, with the communists seeping down into the Honduras.
My good
friends,
how much of this was achieved by military force and how much was
achieved by
traitors and communist-line propagandists in our own government and in
other
free governments?
Let's start in Europe, if we
may. They took by military force a little piece of Finland. In the same way
they took three small Baltic States: Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. They took
half of Poland in the same way. They acquired the rest of Poland through Polish
traitors and communists in our own government, who gave American dollars and
American support to the communists in Poland. They took over Romania, Bulgaria,
and Hungary without firing a single shot. They did this by the infiltration of communists in the key spots in the governments.
The
communists took over
Czechoslovakia without firing a shot. This they did by the infiltration
of communists into the Czechoslovakian government also. And listen to
what a high
official in the anticommunist government of Czechoslovakia had to say
about
the communist enslavement of Czechoslovakia. Here's what he said. He
said:
"In
my country, the pattern
was identical to what it is in the United States. If anyone, before the
communists took over, dared to attack those communists who were
preparing and
shaping the policy of my government—shaping the policy to betray my people—he
was promptly attacked and destroyed by a combination of communists, fellow
travelers, and those unthinking people who thought they were serving the cause
of liberalism and progress, but who were actually serving the cause of the most
reactionary credo of all times: communism."
Still quoting: "Because
of those people, night has fallen upon my nation and slavery upon my
people."
Now,
shifting to another area
of the world, to the East, how about this vast land area and the teeming
masses
of China? Let's just take a look at that map, if you please. Keep in
mind that
a few short years ago China was a free nation friendly to the United
States.
Now, were the—were—let's take a look at that map. Were those 400,000,000
Chinese captured by force of arms? Certainly not. They were delivered.
Delivered to communist slave masters by the jackal pack of
communist-line
propagandists, including the friends of Mr. Edward R. Murrow, who day
after day
shouted to the world that the Chinese Communists were agrarian
reformers, and
that our ally, the Republic of China, represented everything that was
evil and
wicked.
Now, my good friends, if there
were no communists in our government, would we have consented to and connived
to turn over all of our Chinese friends to the Russians? Now, my good friends,
if there had been no communists in our government, would we have rewarded them
with all of Manchuria, half of the Kuril Islands, and one half of Korea? Now
how many Americans—how many Americans have died and will die because of this
sellout to Communist Russia? God only knows.
If there were no communists
in our government, why did we delay—for eighteen months—delay our research on the
hydrogen bomb, even though our intelligence agencies were reporting day after
day that the Russians were feverishly pushing their development of the H-bomb?
And may I say to America tonight that our nation may well die—our nation may
well die—because of that eighteen-months deliberate delay. And I ask you, who
caused it? Was it loyal Americans? Or was it traitors in our government?
It
is often said by the left
wing that it is sufficient to fight communism in Europe and Asia, but
that communism is not a domestic American issue. But the record, my good
friends, is
that the damage has been done by cleverly calculated subversion at home,
and
not from abroad. It is this problem of subversion that our committee
faces.
Now, let us very quickly
glance at some of the work of our committee—some of the work it's done in
slightly over a year's time. For example, 238 witnesses were examined in public
session; 367 witnesses examined in executive session; 84 witnesses refused to
testify as to communist activities on the ground that, if they told the truth,
they might go to jail; 24 witnesses with communist backgrounds have been
discharged from jobs in which they were handling secret, top secret,
confidential material, individuals who were exposed before our committee.
Of course you can't measure
the success of a committee by box score, based on the number of communist
heads that have rolled from secret jobs. It is completely impossible to even
estimate the effect on our government of the day-to-day plodding
exposure of communists. And that is, of course, why the Murrows bleed.
For
example,
the exposure of only one Fifth Amendment communist in the Government
Printing Office, an office having access to secret material from almost
every
government agency, resulted in an undisclosed number of suspensions. It
resulted in the removal of the loyalty board, and the revamping of all
the
royal—of the loyalty rules, so that we do have apparently a good, tight
loyalty set up in the Printing Office at this time. Also disclosure of
communists in the military and the radar laboratories resulted in the
abolition of the Pentagon board which had cleared and ordered reinstated
communists who had for years been handling government secrets. Also, as
a
result of those hearings, Army orders have been issued to prevent a
recurrence
of the Major Peress scandal, which was exposed by the committee.
Now to attempt to evaluate the effect of the work of an investigating
committee would be about as impossible as to attempt to evaluate the effect of
well-trained watchdogs upon the activities of potential burglars.
We
Americans live in a free
world, a world where we can stand as individuals, where we can go to the
church
of our own choice and worship God as we please, each in his own fashion;
where
we can freely speak our opinions on any subject, or on any man. Now
whether we shall continue to so live has come to issue now. We will soon
know whether we are going to go on living that kind of life, or whether
we are
going to live the kind of life that 800,000,000 slaves live under
communist
domination. The issue is simple. It is the issue of life or death for
our
civilization.
Now, Mr. Murrow said on this
program—and I quote—he said: "The actions of the junior senator from
Wisconsin have given considerable comfort to the enemy." That is the
language of our statute of treason—rather strong language.
If I am giving
comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. If, on the other hand,
Mr. Murrow is giving comfort to our enemies, he ought not to be brought into
the homes of millions of Americans by the Columbia Broadcasting System.
Now, this is a question which
can be resolved with very little difficulty. What do the communists think of
me? And what do the communists think of Mr. Murrow? One of us is on the side of
the communists; the other is against the communists, against communist slavery.
Now,
the communists have three
official publications in America, and these are not ordinary
publications. They
have been officially determined to be the transmission belts through
which communists in America are instructed as to the party line, or the
position
which communist writers and playwrights must take—also, of course,
telecasters, broadcasters.
The first of these is a booklet which I would like
to show you, if I may. It's entitled "The Main Report," delivered at
the National Conference of the Communist Party of the USA, published in
New York in October 1953.
The report states, quote: "The struggle against
McCarthyism is developing currently along the following main lines"—keep
in
mind this is the communist publication giving instructions to members
of the party—"...along the following main lines: struggle against witch
hunting, struggle against investigations of the McCarthy/McCarran
type, and defense of the victims of McCarthyism such as Owen Lattimore,
etc. In addition there is the direct attack on McCarthy." May I ask you,
does that sound somewhat like the program of Edward R. Murrow of March 9 over
this same station?
Now, in this
report the communists do not hesitate to instruct the comrades
that their fight on McCarthy is only a means to a larger end. Again, let me
quote from the instructions from the Communist Party to its membership, from page thirty-three. I quote:
"Our main task is to
mobilize the masses for the defeat of the foreign and domestic policy of the
Eisenhower administration and for the defeat of the Eisenhower regime itself.
The struggle against McCarthyism contributes to this general objective."
Just
one more quotation, if I
may, from page thirty-one of these instructions from the Communist Party
to its members. I quote: "Since the elections, McCarthyism has emerged
as a menace of
major proportions." I think maybe we know what the Communist Party means
by "a menace of major proportions." They mean a menace of major
proportions to the Communist Party.
Now let's take thirty seconds or
so, if we may, to look a little further to see who's giving comfort to our
enemies. Here is a communist Daily Worker of March 9, containing seven
articles and a principal editorial, all attacking McCarthy. And the same issue
lists Mr. Murrow's program as—listen to this—"One of tonight's best
bets on TV."
And then—just one more—here's the issue of March 17.
Its principal front page article is an attack on McCarthy. It has three other
articles attacking McCarthy. It has a special article by William Z.
Foster, the head of the Communist Party in America—and now under
indictment on charges of attempting to overthrow this government by force and
violence—this article by Foster, praising Edward R. Murrow.
Just one more,
if I may impose on your time: the issue of March 26. This issue has two
articles attacking witch hunting, three articles attacking McCarthy, a cartoon
of McCarthy, and an article in praise of Mr. Edward R. Murrow.
And now I would like to also
show you the communist political organ, entitled Political Affairs. The
lead article is a report dated November 21, 1953 of the National Committee of
the Communist Party of the United States, attacking McCarthy and telling how
the loyal members of the Communist Party can serve their cause by getting rid
of this awful McCarthy.
Now, as you know, Owen
Lattimore has been named as a conscious, articulate instrument of the communist
conspiracy. He's been so named by the Senate Internal Security Committee. He is
now under criminal indictment for perjury with respect to testimony in regard
to his communist activities. In his book Ordeal by Slander he says, and I
think I can quote him verbatim, he says: "I owe a very special debt to a
man I have never met. I must mention at least Edward R. Murrow."
Then
there's the book by Harold Laski, admittedly the greatest communist propagandist
of our time in England. In his book Reflections on the Revolution of Our Times he dedicates
the book to "my friends E.R. Murrow and Latham Tichener, with
affection."
Now, I am perfectly willing to let the American people decide
who's giving comfort to our enemies. Much of the documentation which we have
here on the table tonight will not be available to the American people by way
of television. However, this will all be made available to you within the next
two weeks.
In conclusion, may I say that
under the shadow of the most horrible and destructive weapons that man has ever
devised, we fight to save our country, our homes, our churches, and our
children. To this cause, ladies and gentlemen, I have dedicated and will
continue to dedicate all that I have and all that I am. And I want to assure
you that I will not be deterred by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores,
the Fosters, the Daily Worker, or the Communist Party itself.
Now, I make no claim to
leadership. In complete humility, I do ask you and every American who loves
this country to join with me.
MURROW: That was a film of Senator Joseph R.
McCarthy, presented at our invitation. It was in response to a program we
presented on March 9th. This reporter undertook to make no comment at this
time, but naturally reserved his right to do so subsequently.
Good night, and good luck.
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Murrow Addresses McCarthy's Accusations – April 13, 1954
EDWARD R. MURROW: Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program to correct any errors he might have thought we made in our report of March 9th.
Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made, we
must conclude that he found no errors of fact. He proved again that
anyone who exposes him, anyone who does not share his hysterical
disregard for decency and human dignity and the rights guaranteed by the
Constitution, must be either a communist or a fellow traveler.
I
fully expected this treatment. The senator added this reporter's name
to a long list of individuals and institutions he has accused of serving
the communist cause. His proposition is very simple: anyone who
criticizes or opposes McCarthy's methods must be a communist. And if
that be true, there are an awful lot of communists in this country.
For
the record, let's consider briefly some of the senator's charges. He
claimed, but offered no proof, that I had been a member of the
Industrial Workers of the World. That is false. I was never a member of
the IWW, never applied for membership. Men that I worked with in the
Pacific Northwest in western Washington in logging camps will attest
that I never had any affiliation or affinity with that organization.
The senator charged that Professor Harold Laski, a British scholar and
politician, dedicated a book to me. That's true. He is dead. He was a
socialist, I am not. He was one of those civilized individuals who did
not insist upon agreement with his political principles as a
precondition for conversation or friendship. I do not agree with his
political ideas. Laski, as he makes clear in the introduction, dedicated
the book to me not because of political agreement, but because he held
my wartime broadcasts from London in high regard—and the dedication so
reads.
Senator McCarthy's principal attack on me was an
attack on the Institute of International Education, of which I was
Assistant Director and am now a trustee, together with such people as
John Foster Dulles, Milton Eisenhower, Ralph J. Bunche, Virginia
Gildersleeve, Philip Reed; to name just a few. That institute sponsored,
acted as the registering agent for summer schools in foreign countries
including England, France, and Germany, and one in the Soviet Union in
1934. It has arranged in all some 30,000 exchanges of students and
professors between the United States and over fifty foreign countries.
The
man primarily responsible for starting this institute was Nicholas
Murray Butler in 1919. Its work has been praised as recently as 1948 by
President Eisenhower. It has been denounced by the Soviet press and
radio as a center of international propaganda for American reaction, and
I have been labeled by them as a "reactionary radio commentator."
The senator alleged that we were doing the work of the Russian secret
police, training spies. We were in fact conducting normal cultural and
educational relations with foreign nations. The Moscow summer session
was cancelled in 1935 by the Russian authorities.
I
believed twenty years ago and I believe today that mature Americans can
engage in conversation and controversy, the clash of ideas, with
communists anywhere in the world without becoming contaminated or
converted. I believe that our faith, our conviction, our determination
are stronger than theirs, and that we can compete and successfully, not
only in the area of bombs but in the area of ideas.
Senator
McCarthy couldn't even get my relationship with CBS straight. He
repeatedly referred to me as the Educational Director, a position I have
not held for seventeen years.
The senator waved a copy
of The Daily Worker, saying an article in it has praised me. Here is an
example for what Senator McCarthy calls "praise" by William Z. Foster
in the March 17 issue of The Daily Worker. Quote:
"During
the past ten days, Senator McCarthy has received a number of resounding
belts in the jaw. These came from Adlai Stevenson, E. R. Murrow, Senator
Flanders, the Army leadership, broadcasting companies; even Eisenhower
himself had to give McCarthy a slap on the wrist."
That was the sole reference to me in Mr. Foster's article.
Another
charge by Senator McCarthy was that Owen Lattimore mentioned me in a
book. What Lattimore said in substance was that he had never met me, but
that I had done a fair job of reporting his testimony; in short, that I
had not presumed his guilt. Everything I said on that case is a matter
of record and can be examined by anyone who is interested.
I
hope to continue to present evidence developed before Congressional
committees as impartially as I am able. And that specifically includes
the hearings before which Senator McCarthy is shortly scheduled to
appear.
I have worked for CBS for more than nineteen
years. The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and
responsibility as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. I require no
lectures from the junior senator from Wisconsin as to the dangers or
terrors of communism. Having watched the aggressive forces at work in
Western Europe; having had friends in Eastern Europe butchered and
driven into exile; having broadcast from London in 1943 that the
Russians were responsible for the Katyn massacre; having told the story
of the Russian refusal to allow Allied aircraft to land on Russian
fields after dropping supplies to those who rose in Warsaw and then were
betrayed by the Russians; and having been denounced by the Russian
radio for these reports, I cannot feel that I require instruction from
the senator on the evils of communism.
Having searched
my conscience and my files, I cannot contend that I have always been
right or wise. But I have attempted to pursue the truth with some
diligence and to report it, even though, as in this case, I had been
warned in advance that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator
McCarthy.
We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest for the country next week.
Good night, and good luck.
(Thanks to Noah C. Cline for helping locate the footage)